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Oh Great, A New Reason To Hate Call Of Duty Has Emerged.
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I'm just going to copy and paste from the comments section my take on this story to save time and so I don't feel like I'm repeating myself. But I'd be interested also in other peoples opinions here.

My comments from the comments section ...

Pretty crappy thing to happen but I've read this article a couple of times and maybe it's because it's early in the morning that i'm just missing something but how does any of this have anything to do with specifically CoD and why we should hate it more?

I should have been more specific. How is this behaviour directly related to CoD when the same exact thing happened to some dude who makes youtube videos of mmorpgs relatively recently too. I don't see why CoD is being specifically called out just because that happened to be the game of choice that both players were playing prior to this ' Prank '.

My point is that it could have been any game. If this guy has it in him to put in a call making these claims to the authorities, CoD had nothing to do with that. That's the mentality of this person but it's not the games design at fault. Or we're selectively choosing to say a psychopath who goes on a killing rampage in a school shooting but plays video games is not influenced by the games themselves but when it comes to prank calls it was the games fault. No it's not the games fault and therefore not another reason to hate CoD. This is solely on the shoulders of the a-hole who thought this was funny to do on someone and would have done it if he got shot with an arrow to the knee in Elder Scrolls Online.

Then further down the page Ben's reply to the topic (not a direct reply to my comments, just a contribution to the discussioon)...

Did the kid freak out over not being able to finish a crossword puzzle? Over a kid who told him some movie he liked sucked? Over someone who beat him in a basketball game?

No, these are the people who send DEATH THREATS to the makers of a certain product, and the people who, when hearing them online, one wonders if in the future they're going to be arrested or committed.

Sadly, this is hostile, insane behavior that seems to rotate around this particular industry. Not all gamers, not all games, but it happens. That's that.

Edit: I should also add that I don't see this happening with people playing games like Journey or even The Last Of Us online. This crazy behavior does seem to exist only in shooters and MMOs...the two online forms of entertainment I would actually deem addictive.

My direct reply to Ben ...

Statistically the reason it's CoD and mmo's is because they have the larger number of players. Nothing to do with them being addictive, they're just the most popular. It's absolutely down to the player him / herself and has nothing at all to do with the game. And of the millions of players who happily die playing CoD or MMO's it's a real small number of them taking it to this level of absurdity. I'm not saying there are no idiots paying CoD because we all know there's plenty but they're such a small percentage when you look at over all numbers of players. You really can't imo blame the game.

Ben ...

Baloney. Let me say this: There ARE forms of video game addiction out there and zero of those cases - from what I've seen - have anything to do with single-player gaming. True addiction in this industry has been brought on exclusively by multiplayer gaming on a huge level, be it a million people playing CoD all at once, or a million people exploring a giant world together.

That's where the insane behavior lies. I don't believe addictive and dangerously irrational behavior occurs in those sitting down to play a game on their own, or even playing other multiplayer games that don't involve such a huge emotional investment (which so many of these competitive shooters and MMOs seem to have).

Me ...

It's hard to believe I'm reading what you're saying. I mean I can agree with some of it but you're acting like people who only play single player games don't do irrational things.

The only reason you only hear about people who play only MP, or alot of, doing crazy crap against each other is because they're interacting with each other competitively (not calling gaming a sport but the competive mentality) and it makes a good news story to take a pop shot at gamers. But to suggest that this kind of person and mentality does not exist in the realm of single player gamers is ridiculous. That's not even an argument that makes any sense.

In all walks of life there's good people and there's really bad people and no game is solely responsible for turning a pillar of the community into a scumbag that does this swatting bull crap or worse. You haven't taken into account these people's interactions in society as a whole. What kinda life do they have? Real world conditions that made them into the person they are online. But that's not to say that this same type of person only plays online. There's more than enough who don't like that MP interaction, who are really antisocial, play their solo player campaigns then go out on a mad one and wreck s*it. Because you don't like MP and don't understand the competive MP mentality from your experiences does not place you into a position to act like you're an authority on what makes people tick.

Ben ...

You're too biased to talk about this, obviously.

I have a background in mental health. You don't. I am interested in what sort of cases come before mental health professionals in the realm of video game addiction, and I try to keep track of such circles.

You will not find one, not a single solitary documented case of video game addiction that exclusively involves single-player entertainment. At least, I haven't seen one in over 15 years. They're ALL spawned from the multiplayer world, for whatever reason. No, not "one" game has caused this. But the multiplayer revolution, starting with EverQuest, absolutely has. That's statistical fact based on who has been labeled - and treated - as having a clinical addiction to video games.

I never said people who only play single-player games don't do irrational things. Everyone does irrational things. I said this behavior stems from a certain type of virtual interaction, and that interaction has to include other humans, or this level of insanity absolutely does not ensue. At the very least, such a case would be in the extreme minority.

Has nothing to do with whether I like multiplayer or not. Has everything to do with documented behavior. Would this kid have "swatted" anyone had he lost to the computer in the campaign of CoD? Would ANYONE have ever "swatted" anyone else due to a gaming rage if only AI was involved? The answer is common sense: No.

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So what do you guys think? Is Ben right?

"You will not find one, not a single solitary documented case of video game addiction that exclusively involves single-player entertainment."

Obviously you can see I don't agree with Ben on this story but think it's an interesting one and worth discussing.

I'm not a big CoD fan, I have the games but rarely play them but am I biased somehow? I play a lot more single player campaigns and do some crazy shit from time to time but never this swatting thing that seems to becoming a bit of a craze these days.
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I can't reply because I'm too ignorant since I don't have a background in mental health. I hate that argument but, again, this is his world and we are all in the way of his agenda.
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I always thought PSX was above sensational journalism!? Looks like an article just generated to get hits on a website vs...
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Obviously online games are designed to be infinitely replayable, whereas single-player games generally follow a narrative that has a fixed ending that does give you a place where you can stop and feel like you're done with it. Solo games that don't have that though are no different to online multiplayer ones for that impulse to keep going.

This Reddit discussion of self-confessed addicts includes The Sims, Football Manager, Super Hexagon, Kerbal Space Program, any Bethesda game, Diablo 2, Minecraft, Dark Souls, Pokémon, Crusader Kings, Civilisation, Roller Coaster Tycoon, Geometry Wars, N64 platformers, and more. Of course, there's no definition in that discussion about what constitutes addiction, and unfortunately Reddit allows people to discuss addiction without proving their backgrounds in mental health first, but if you're not looking at even just a couple of the games on that list and being able to understand where they're coming from then you probably haven't played any of those games.
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Anyone who reads the main site has read Ben's comments on online multiplayer gaming over the course of several years now and is not surprised by his comments in that discussion. Not much more to be said about it.
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I'm sorry but is it common knowledge that you don't have a background in mental health frosty?
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Spartan119 Wrote:Anyone who reads the main site has read Ben's comments on online multiplayer gaming over the course of several years now and is not surprised by his comments in that discussion. Not much more to be said about it.

I agree but for once I was hoping we could not make this actually about Ben but rather discussed the topic at hand. No, I definitely don't have a background in mental health so maybe I'm not qualified enough, maybe none of us are but are games addictive to the point they'd change a person and turn that person into a douchebag that would call the authorities and have a swat team turn up on someones door? I don't think any game is responsible for that. If it's in a person to do that, something most people would never think to do, then that just seems to boil down to the person's mentality and was gonna happen anyway eventually. It was just unfortunate in this case it was CoD. But I don't blame interactive entertainment for causing it.
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frostface Wrote:I agree but for once I was hoping we could not make this actually about Ben but rather discussed the topic at hand. No, I definitely don't have a background in mental health so maybe I'm not qualified enough, maybe none of us are but are games addictive to the point they'd change a person and turn that person into a douchebag that would call the authorities and have a swat team turn up on someones door? I don't think any game is responsible for that. If it's in a person to do that, something most people would never think to do, then that just seems to boil down to the person's mentality and was gonna happen anyway eventually. It was just unfortunate in this case it was CoD. But I don't blame interactive entertainment for causing it.

Games don't make people douchebags any more than they make people homicidal. If you're the kind of person who would do this over a game, you're the kind of person who would do it over any sort of disagreement, in the same way that if you're the kind of person who would claim GTA inspired you to shoot someone, you were 104% likely to shoot someone no matter the 'inspiration'.

As for addiction, it doesn't take a 'background in mental health' (which is a pointlessly vague term anyway) to understand that addiction is a problem with the person, not the thing they're addicted to. People who are addicted to games are usually addicted to other things, be it the internet or comics or drugs or whatever, because some people just have addictive personalities, and some don't.

It's no secret that companies like Microsoft and Sony pay behavioral scientists to come up with ways to lure people into playing their games longer. That's the entire basis for things like leveling up in games (essentially no different than rewarding the monkey with a peanut for pressing the right buttons). How successful those things are at keeping you playing is based on your personality; it doesn't have a universal effect, and that doesn't only apply to MMOs and shooters, and the only reason the discussion ever took that turn was because of Ben's personal feelings on those genres and online gaming in general. He's entitled to his opinion on that, but I don't think it really warrants any long drawn out discussion. The whole article was basically "I don't like online games" and we all knew that already.
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If you're mental then anything can make you flip out... dr D.T.Bunny MD PHLp Frt Pnts said that. And I agree.

Tho interesting what you said spartan, I would say the one of the most ferocious games companies to really go to physiological lengths to sell their products are Nintendo. Never ever ever trust an Italian plumber with a dodgy tash... we learn this at primary school yet we spend millions on Nintendo from plumbers to pokemon.

I still think some of the greatest marketing I've ever seen had been the initial Wii period, just incredible. I knew it was rubbish and I still brought one.
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Going after COD does seem to be jumping the gun a bit...Don't get me wrong, I'm more than happy to see that mass produced twitch gaming piece of mind dribble removed from the shelves, but blaming someone else's mental state on the fact that they play one game a lot does seem a bit rash.

The thing I don't understand is that when video games have been blamed for school shootings or anything more horrific, Ben has usually been ready to defend how video games aren't to blame, yet in this case he's blamed a game for one person's obvious lack of social skills.

If you are going to blame anything, maybe take a stab at the internet, or society itself. One thing I've noticed more and more, is that a lot of the current generation of kids don't know how to lose. No one seems to want to tell their kids, that no matter how good you think your are, there will always be someone better. Instead we raise a society of spoiled self entitled little shits who don't know how to lose and think everything should be given to them.

So what do these kids do if they lose? They go onto their computers, google "revenge" and get a whole list of things they can do with just a little creative computer work...

Before the internet gave us a plethora of useless information and free porn, people had to do it the old fashioned way and face their enemies, now they hide behind their IP addresses and think they are invisible to the world.

If "swatting" is such a big issue, it says more about the state of our society and where it is headed then it does about a crappy game that is insanely popular.

One thing I can guarantee though, this won't be the last time you will hear about someone doing their own "vigilante Justice" and it probably won't be the last time that video games will be in the crosshairs. But unless something is done, these are just going to keep escalating. It used to be if you did a prank, it was small and relatively harmless and the only ones that knew about it were you and your friends. But with the whole world at our fingertips, Pranks have gotten more elaborate in order to one up the last one..Universities have had to ban hazings because they've gotten out of control, Or how about kids that have died or been injured because of the Neknomination craze.

I also do see Ben's point of view on MMO's and online. To Some people these games can be addictive and unhealthy. But this is nothing new. We've been dealing with this for generations. Anyone remember the old story of a kid that killed himself when his Dungeon & Dragons character died? How about Religion? That group hasn't had its share of unstable wingnuts? How many lives/families has the games Second Life or World of Warcraft affected or even ruined because of the hours spent online?

I myself don't play a lot of online, it's not because I don't enjoy it, but it's the fact that video games are a past time for me, they aren't my life, and so I don't spend every waking minute worried about my online stats. If I have a free minute, I don't turn to my games first, I go biking, or something else. And for that reason, I don't play enough to be considered competitive. But what if, like for a lot of people, that gaming was your whole life and you were good enough to be competitive and someone stomped all over it? Most of us would be mature enough to deal with it, but some people can't stand to lose or can't stand to be second best. Just ask Tonya Harding about it. Of all the gamers out there in the world, there's bound to be more then a few that have a screw loose, unfortunately there really isn't a way to find them, unless we start doing Psych evaluation on everyone that buys a console. Make it so long and tedious that whoever gets mad and destroys something before getting through it, aren't allowed to game online...unless someone has a better solution.
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