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God of War
#1
I am working on this review right now and I thought we needed an official topic for it because holy cow this game is AMAZING.

Are you playing? What do you think so far? NO UNMARKED SPOILERS PLEASE. While I will be playing literally straight though until I beat it, so that I can properly review it, please remember that not everyone will be playing at the same pace as you or I. Please mark spoilers.

One quick gameplay video I've taken, showing how melee finishers work



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#2
I've been really resisting getting it but I'm getting hit from all sides telling me how great it is. I'm just not a fan of Kratos. Yet... I'm a sucka for good publicity.
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#3
Bought it!
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(04-21-2018, 09:03 AM)frostface Wrote: Bought it!

You made the right choice.

This Kratos... he is not the Kratos you know.

Ungh, dat draw distance

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#5
Story-wise it is literally the same Kratos though, right? It's not a reboot or anything. The character ruined God of War 3, so even if he's not the same monster he was I'm really not on board with any sort of second chance or redemption for him. He should have died at the end of his trilogy with the pantheon he massacred.
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PC: Shadow of War
PS4: Uncharted 3 | Monster Hunter World | Game of Thrones
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#6
(04-21-2018, 12:28 PM)The Benny (Macho) Wrote: Story-wise it is literally the same Kratos though, right? It's not a reboot or anything. The character ruined God of War 3, so even if he's not the same monster he was I'm really not on board with any sort of second chance or redemption for him. He should have died at the end of his trilogy with the pantheon he massacred.

It's a continuation of the story, technically, yeah. Though it's pretty genuinely different, without giving too much away.

And God of War III Kratos was a fascinating character, that I don't think some people properly appreciated. It's pretty clear that, by that point in the series, Kratos had become severely broken as a man, so consumed by rage and grief that he didn't know anything else. I never blamed him for his unrelenting rage, because it was just the end result of decades of being abused by the gods. Zeus and Co. had created a true monster, and it came back to destroy them.

When Kratos eventually redeemed himself at the end by giving humanity the power of hope, instead of turning it over to Athena, I felt like he finally (and truly) gave himself the peace he needed. I think that's the only part of him that shows through in the new game. The rest, from both a story perspective and a personality issue, are left behind. Kratos is still Kratos, but he is also a changed man in many ways.
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(04-21-2018, 01:57 PM)Spartan119 Wrote:
(04-21-2018, 12:28 PM)The Benny (Macho) Wrote: Story-wise it is literally the same Kratos though, right? It's not a reboot or anything. The character ruined God of War 3, so even if he's not the same monster he was I'm really not on board with any sort of second chance or redemption for him. He should have died at the end of his trilogy with the pantheon he massacred.

It's a continuation of the story, technically, yeah. Though it's pretty genuinely different, without giving too much away.

And God of War III Kratos was a fascinating character, that I don't think some people properly appreciated. It's pretty clear that, by that point in the series, Kratos had become severely broken as a man, so consumed by rage and grief that he didn't know anything else. I never blamed him for his unrelenting rage, because it was just the end result of decades of being abused by the gods. Zeus and Co. had created a true monster, and it came back to destroy them.

When Kratos eventually redeemed himself at the end by giving humanity the power of hope, instead of turning it over to Athena, I felt like he finally (and truly) gave himself the peace he needed. I think that's the only part of him that shows through in the new game. The rest, from both a story perspective and a personality issue, are left behind. Kratos is still Kratos, but he is also a changed man in many ways.

I knew none of that. All that I know of Kratos is from the first few chapters of the first game. But I don't know why anyone thought adding the kid was a good idea. Admittedly I'm very early in the game so I'll refrain from making broad statements I may have to backtrack on later, but that kid is very annoying and I don't see how I'm going to get passed it. Other than that, it's a very pretty looking game and the setting is right up my alley. I'm in the middle of my first fight where the kid is not with me and it's so much better without him. When I'm exploring, I want to tell him to shut up telling me I need to go this way or that. If I listened to him I would have missed out on some loot chests off the beaten path. And only I went and looked it up , I could have swore James Earl Jones was voicing Kratos (it's the big guy from Stargate SG1) and kept expecting to tell him Luke I am your father! Ok, rant over! It's still too early to dismiss the game. And I appreciate that this is a highly polished game and just because I'm not feeling it, I can see why others love it.
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(04-21-2018, 03:49 PM)frostface Wrote:
(04-21-2018, 01:57 PM)Spartan119 Wrote:
(04-21-2018, 12:28 PM)The Benny (Macho) Wrote: Story-wise it is literally the same Kratos though, right? It's not a reboot or anything. The character ruined God of War 3, so even if he's not the same monster he was I'm really not on board with any sort of second chance or redemption for him. He should have died at the end of his trilogy with the pantheon he massacred.

It's a continuation of the story, technically, yeah. Though it's pretty genuinely different, without giving too much away.

And God of War III Kratos was a fascinating character, that I don't think some people properly appreciated. It's pretty clear that, by that point in the series, Kratos had become severely broken as a man, so consumed by rage and grief that he didn't know anything else. I never blamed him for his unrelenting rage, because it was just the end result of decades of being abused by the gods. Zeus and Co. had created a true monster, and it came back to destroy them.

When Kratos eventually redeemed himself at the end by giving humanity the power of hope, instead of turning it over to Athena, I felt like he finally (and truly) gave himself the peace he needed. I think that's the only part of him that shows through in the new game. The rest, from both a story perspective and a personality issue, are left behind. Kratos is still Kratos, but he is also a changed man in many ways.

I knew none of that. All that I know of Kratos is from the first few chapters of the first game. But I don't know why anyone thought adding the kid was a good idea. Admittedly I'm very early in the game so I'll refrain from making broad statements I may have to backtrack on later, but that kid is very annoying and I don't see how I'm going to get passed it. Other than that, it's a very pretty looking game and the setting is right up my alley. I'm in the middle of my first fight where the kid is not with me and it's so much better without him. When I'm exploring, I want to tell him to shut up telling me I need to go this way or that. If I listened to him I would have missed out on some loot chests off the beaten path. And only I went and looked it up , I could have swore James Earl Jones was voicing Kratos (it's the big guy from Stargate SG1) and kept expecting to tell him Luke I am your father! Ok, rant over! It's still too early to dismiss the game. And I appreciate that this is a highly polished game and just because I'm not feeling it, I can see why others love it.

The kid gets a lot less annoying and a lot more useful as the game progresses.
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#9
I just found GoW3 to be a deeply unpleasant experience. That's the one where you spend a level escorting a woman through it, with a game over penalty if she dies, only to have Kratos crush her to death in some sort of mechanism at the end. It felt like the developers revelled in having a character who was as much of a monster as those he was fighting. The whole game was just unrelentingly nasty, and capping it off with the revelation that Kratos secretly carried the power of hope rang very hollow, coming as he looked over the world he plunged into apocalypse from the deaths of the gods he murdered in retaliation from them being corrupted from Pandora's Box which he opened, which he did to gain enough power to kill his first god in retaliation for being tricked by that god into murdering his family while he was murdering other people, a situation he was in because he had pledged unending loyalty to that god in exchange for a second chance to crush his enemies after being defeated. Understanding why he did it doesn't change that he did it ("Cool motive, still murder.").

Anyway, I didn't mean to pour negativity into the thread. I'm sure this is a great game because the others always excelled at capturing the spectacle and scale of a battle between gods and titans, and the combat has always been solid. I liked the idea of a Norse reboot even back when fans were just speculating about where the series could go next, even if I'd hoped it would be done without Kratos.
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(04-22-2018, 12:06 AM)The Benny (Macho) Wrote: I just found GoW3 to be a deeply unpleasant experience. That's the one where you spend a level escorting a woman through it, with a game over penalty if she dies, only to have Kratos crush her to death in some sort of mechanism at the end. It felt like the developers revelled in having a character who was as much of a monster as those he was fighting. The whole game was just unrelentingly nasty, and capping it off with the revelation that Kratos secretly carried the power of hope rang very hollow, coming as he looked over the world he plunged into apocalypse from the deaths of the gods he murdered in retaliation from them being corrupted from Pandora's Box which he opened, which he did to gain enough power to kill his first god in retaliation for being tricked by that god into murdering his family while he was murdering other people, a situation he was in because he had pledged unending loyalty to that god in exchange for a second chance to crush his enemies after being defeated. Understanding why he did it doesn't change that he did it ("Cool motive, still murder.").

Anyway, I didn't mean to pour negativity into the thread. I'm sure this is a great game because the others always excelled at capturing the spectacle and scale of a battle between gods and titans, and the combat has always been solid. I liked the idea of a Norse reboot even back when fans were just speculating about where the series could go next, even if I'd hoped it would be done without Kratos.

There's nothing wrong with not having the same views, I don't think you're being negative at all Smile

I don't think your take is too far off, though I would disagree that the developers were reveling in anything. I think they wanted you to feel that disgust, because Kratos truly became a monster in that game. But I think their overall goal (and it worked in my opinion) was also to make you pity him. The games make it clear that there really is no choice or free will for Kratos, or anyone for that matter, and it was essentially his fate to be tortured by the gods without end. They refused to let him die, literally lifting him out of the ocean after he killed himself, they refused to stop abusing him, and continually forced him to do monstrous things. God of War III was the point where he shed what little was left of his humanity.

And he didn't secretly carry the power of hope with him. Hope was the weapon inside Pandora's Box, that he used to defeat Zeus. Instead of giving it to Athena, who claimed it belonged to her, he gave it to humanity. He didn't destroy the world at all, he set it free from the tyranny of the gods. In fact in the post credits stinger, the world is already on the mend in the background.

Anyway, you would most definitely not have the same issue with the new God of War. Quite the opposite, I would imagine Smile
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